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Gangaji

Posted at 10:12 pm under Listening, Thoughts

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  1. S.D.on 13 Nov 2008 at 5:44 pm 1

    Dear Mr/Mrs Nobody
    Stop Looking? Is that simple? Why cant i do it? If I understand correctly,
    Gangalji is saying, i just have to stop looking and whatever I want will come to me in abundance? Or does Gangalji mean that because you stop looking you just accept whatever it is that comes along - because you weren’t looking
    in the first place? Just accepting everything in life? If we stop looking wouldn’t life be stagnant? Isn’t this ignoring the mind and souls of people? Nobody would move in any direction because people would be living with and content with what they have and not looking for more. What if you need more than you are getting? Can you explain please. I have thrown so many questions at you. Good site!

  2. adminon 15 Nov 2008 at 10:09 pm 2

    Just a few thoughts.

    Well there is another theory that says that you are doing it all the time already, so it can’t be that difficult. So why can’t you do it? Because nobody can do it. It can’t be done. It IS only.

    The same with Now. You can’t do The Now and you can’t find it. It has no location and cannot be measured, but it is KNOWN. The whole world could disintegrate and the Now would remain. The same with Love – it can’t be found as such. Yes, it resounds through the mind as experiences, (some quite dodgy), but where is Love? It can’t be found or measured and it can’t be done. But it can be Known, and it IS quite definitely.

    I guess it all boils down to whether you believe your mind to be the ultimate witness of WHO you are – that you accept the experience of yourself to be yourself. But there we have a dilemma because: what is experiencing the experience of you? Experiences are dualistic. There is you and your experience. Anything you experience can’t possibly be Who you are?

    What is more real: YOU, or your experiences? The mind is the field of everything experienced. Even your thoughts: “wouldn’t life be stagnant”, “Just accepting life”, “moving in a direction”, and so on. This is the mind. There is the possibility for anyone to be completely still and ask “who am I”, and discard all the answers the mind offers. Then the mind can suddenly be informed by THAT WHICH IS. As long as we are looking for experiences, it’s going to be difficult. To be willing to not find, you are found. It has been called the ultimate joke, because when you actually get the joke, you see that you are the punch line, and the joke is being told all the time.

    Did you read the post http://www.counsellor.nu/blog/?p=47 it might throw a little light on your thoughts.

    A last thought. You say “Just accepting everything in life?”. Well, it seems to be true that the only reason we try to accept things is because ultimately we don’t accept things. So don’t accept anything. Things have a “Suchness”. As one of my favourite teachers once said. “water is wet, balls are round - nothing to accept. Let go of both acceptance and non-acceptance. Act in accordance with what is. That is enough.

    Thanks for your comment:-) Please write more.

  3. S.D.on 17 Nov 2008 at 7:47 pm 3

    Thank you for directing me to http://www.counsellor.nu/blog/?p=47. Perhaps I am looking too hard and missing the simple. Your reply makes it sound so simple and straightforward. Would be easy to accept but so many questions arise? Perhaps for me the problem is as Gangaji says ‘it is too simple to be grasped’. Another part of acceptance perhaps - accepting that things don’t always have to be difficult? And as you say ultimately letting go of acceptance and non-acceptance. Something positive in reading your reply is my awareness. Thanks for explaining and i hope you dont mind more questions after my re-reading your reply and p.47.
    :-)

  4. Adminon 18 Nov 2008 at 11:09 am 4

    A few hints.
    Yes, the mind is just congealed questioning a lot of the time. It’s so difficult at times just to relax and be still. It is in the stillness devoid of questioning that a lot of the “answers” appear.
    And then you have the “final obstacle”, as Ramana called it. SELF DOUBT. Even when we do attain a modicum of stillness and silence, we question it because of self-doubt. Questions and thought will arise – this is the nature of the mind. No point in fighting them. But there is still stillness and silence around the questions and thoughts. Loose interest in thoughts and questions and pay attention to what is making them possible. Write them down if they feel important and then return to the task of awakening. It is the stillness and silence that are truly alive and permanent. Thoughts and questions come and go.
    Avoid trying to understand what silence and stillness are. The mind tries to create the “experience” of silence and stillness. This is not the silence and stillness you seek. For the mind silence and stillness are totally boring. When the mind is informed by the true living silence and stillness that you are, there is relaxation, release and relief.

    Keep up the good work.

  5. S.D.on 19 Nov 2008 at 3:14 pm 5

    Dear Admin.

    For some reason I seem to be coming at this from a different angle and find it difficult to click with what you say above, although it is all there for the taking! Thanks for that! Have you a simpler way of saying it though? Am I to understand, that this is somehow a parallel of ‘I’ the self as subject and ‘me’ the self as object? The ‘I’ being the active process of experiencing, as opposed to the content of that experiencing, the ‘me’. The ‘I’ representing the basic capacity for awareness?

    Perhaps I am trying to put too much a practical slant on what you are saying and looking for something to hang on to visually?

    Thanks for your explanations and patience. They are really helpful. Just need to click everything into place and there seems to be a battle going on somewhere.

    :-)

  6. adminon 19 Nov 2008 at 4:28 pm 6

    Well, as soon as one opens one mouth, things become complicated.
    I can offer a few more hints.
    I think it is a question of Identity. We say “I, ME, ONESELF” and so on, not really knowing what we are referring to. The so called “I” appears to be a moment-to-moment misidentification with the mind at large. Some people bang their physical bodies and say this is I! Others relate more to their feeing life, emotions and so on. Others that are mentally centred relate to that: however; this is all mind: physical, emotional and mental mind. We identify with the mind from moment to moment: we love our experiences.
    It’s interesting to notice that in the dram state you may be a monk, a woman, a child and even an animal; however, ones sense of Identity is not threatened by it. It doesn’t really mater what you experience yourself to be in the dream state – your true Identity is still complete and in fact untouched. Pure. Some days we wake up totally alive and renewed, usually after a night with little dreaming, just resting in that which we are. Initially on awakening, prior to any thought, everything is totally peaceful and complete. In the waking state our thinking processes click in and we start to think and question. The “I” is merely a thought, and your believing it to be true, makes it true.

    Another hint:
    When we speak of subject and object there are true, but only to a certain point. Yet another “relative truth”. But a relative truth is ultimately an untruth. There is the awareness that you are, and there is that which arises in awareness. Nothing more. The subject and the object arise in Awareness as types of consciousness. The Buddha was asked who or what he was. He replied: I AM AWARE. With this he did not mean that he was a subjective person that held the capacity to be aware. His name, his substance, and all he was IS AWARE. Put more simply: an apple IS apple; a Buddha is Aware. And this is true for you and everyone else: we are already complete. When the mind eventually knows this, it relaxes.

    In “A course in Miracles you can read: “the ego’s moto is seek but do not find”. The ego or “I” is an effect, not a cause; it cannot find. The cause is here and now and you are that.
    Are you a meditator?

    Another hint: From the day you were born you haven’t moved an inch. When you see yourself as a child and remember events, they are being relieved in the same Awareness that was then. When you visualize the future, it is happening in the essential Awareness that you are NOW. The now that is today has always been the same.
    Good luck from Admin. Enjoy the battle: you are destined to win.

  7. S.D.on 28 Nov 2008 at 9:49 pm 7

    Thanks Admin for your enlightening reply. Been thinking about your reply and also reading some more of what you have written. Really helpful stuff but still battling with some aspects of what you say and my lack of understanding. Your last hint for example is clear up to a point. If I understand correctly, the awareness that was, is and always will be, IS? Experiences come and go, but it is that, which IS, that is permanent? So far so good! As for experiences and what your teaching asks - what is real, you or your experiences? I think both. But with awareness to realise the impermanence of experience and the permanence of what IS? For me, experience is a way of making sense of the world in order to function? What do you think? Have you read Sartre? I feel there is a cross-over somewhere, where experience does affect Awareness? You say of the essential Awareness that you are Now and how the child and remembered events, is the same as the person now and in the future. However, dont you think sometimes one can experience something, where you have to dig so far and deep within yourself and turn yourself inside out in order to survive, that when looking back to the child they were, they feel thousands of worlds apart. Yes, the core thread that was and IS, is still there, in a way that is difficult to put your finger on, but as to the same essential Awareness that was and Is Now, I dont know? Or are they one and the same?
    Yes, I do meditate.
    Thanks again for your patience and guidance. You mentioned A Course In Miracles. I have heard of it mentioned before. Would you recommend it?
    The battle goes on!

    things become complicated.

  8. adminon 29 Nov 2008 at 12:41 pm 8

    More hints - your comments start with ……..

    You know, sometimes one has to let go of what one understands, to understand. Previous understanding makes it complicated. A mind that doesn’t know, and is happy with that not-knowing, is a happy open mind.

    ….If I understand correctly, the awareness that was, is and always will be, IS?

    IS? Is simply is. It’s undeniable. Yes, “IS” is awareness. But be careful. “Awareness” is a noun, a thing as it were. Probably better to just say AWARE is.

    ………….Experiences come and go, but it is that, which IS, that is permanent? So far so good!

    That’s a relief:-)

    ….As for experiences and what your teaching asks - what is real, you or your experiences? I think both.

    You are a meditator - take another look. There are natural moments when the mind is silent, more so in meditation. Let the question arise then and then simply look. What is more real? Don’t find an answer to the question – just look and see.

    …..But with awareness to realise the impermanence of experience and the permanence of what IS?

    “Aware” is permanent – it won’t budge. Stand up and swing the body and see that which does not move with the body. This is who you are.

    ………For me, experience is a way of making sense of the world in order to function? What do you think?

    Experience is the mind and the world – it makes sense of itself all by it self. The mind does what it does without intervention. Just push it all to the side for a while. It all arises as it does, but at the same time, there is something more, something greater. That which makes it possible. It is not affected by your experiences.

    ………..Have you read Sartre? I feel there is a cross-over somewhere, where experience does affect Awareness?

    A sketch on the theory of emotions, and a few bits and pieces. Awareness knows experience and can enlighten experience, but all experience is change, impermanence – the paint cannot know or condition the painter.

    ……something, where you have to dig so far and deep within yourself and turn yourself inside out in order to survive, that when looking back to the child they were, they feel thousands of worlds apart.

    Yes, but this is the field of experience again. What you are looking for cannot be experienced or found. It has never been lost! It is simply the now, but the mind saying “now now now”. Just be still and silent. Give it all up. What is left?

    …………..Yes, the core thread that was and IS, is still there, in a way that is difficult to put your finger on, but as to the same essential Awareness that was and Is Now, I dont know? Or are they one and the same?

    When the mind tried to grasp things, it does so using its own frame of reference. Time is the minds backbone – it’s not going to let you remove time from the equation. Your question has to be answered by awareness itself, and for this to happen all you need to do is be totally still and silent. Even if the mind is thinking or creating images and so on, you can still be still and silent (AWARE). You can listen to a dog barking on the other side of the street without loosing yourself – just see the rattling mind in the same way. Stop giving it importance.

    ……….Thanks again for your patience and guidance. You mentioned A Course In Miracles. I have heard of it mentioned before. Would you recommend it?

    Yes, A course in Miracles is a fantastic tool. The symbols used are difficult for many and the language is archaic, but otherwise it is great, especially the daily lessons. What we have been discussing is basically Advaita. Nisargadda, for me at least, points clearly at that which we are.
    The book “ I AM THAT” is probably the best book I have ever read. Full of humour and clarity.
    http://www.nonduality.com/nisarga.htm
    http://www.amazon.com/I-Am-That-Talks-Nisargadatta/dp/0893860220

    ………….The battle goes on!
    Yes, but in time only.
    Keep up the good work SD and thank you for your enjoyable responses:-)

  9. S.D.on 01 Dec 2008 at 8:55 am 9

    Dear Admin
    Began writing you a lengthy response but my questions disappeared. Working in the dark! :-) For now I have no choice but to follow your wise words without lengthy questioning on my part.

    You know, sometimes one has to let go of what one understands, to understand. Previous understanding makes it complicated. A mind that doesn’t know, and is happy with that not-knowing, is a happy open mind.

    Thanks for the above. So simple and so clear. Yes, I have clealry been trying to understand too much and will try this week with your guidance to stand still and accept not-knowing and in that be aware. Scientific ways of looking miss a lot!

    Thanks for your link to Nisargadatta. I have read a little of ‘I AM THAT’ before. I would like to say thanks though for the ease at which you provide links to related info.

    I am getting there Admin. Beginning to understand all you say. Standing still but aware. :-) For now at least!

    The battle is waning.
    Thanks Admin. Peace and Light to you.

  10. Adminon 03 Dec 2008 at 11:58 pm 10

    You are eternally welcome SD
    Peace and Light to you too:-)

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  12. gojibäron 10 Jul 2013 at 5:06 pm 12

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  13. adminon 05 Dec 2013 at 9:32 pm 13

    I guess there might be a few people out there (or in here) that are either clear on who they are or maybe troubled because of not knowing. Questions are more important than answers, so please question.

  14. adminon 05 Dec 2013 at 9:35 pm 14

    And yes gojibär, the site has been neglected. Can you contribute with a question? Even an answer would be good. Thank you for you comment.

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